Republican racist NC ad

The Republicans are now placing this racist ad in NC.
Are MyDD people going to condemn this?

Below is a link to a REPUBLICAN ad now showing in NC. If we, as a Party are going to stand up, now is the time...
This is a simple question to alegre...texDarlin..linc..etc..

Do you approve of this or not?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXxkctYRA ZQ

Are you willing to allow Republicans to frame Obama?
Are you willing to allow Republicans to frame Clinton?

In our individual world, we have it both ways...but that is not the real world...

...so alegre..Grendal...Texdarlin..linc etc....are you willing to condemn this?

The failure of the above mentioned posters, and others to condemn this Bullshit...speaks volumes...

Your condemnation of this speaks even louder!

this is much more than an attack on Obama...this is an attack on our Party....

Which side are you on?


Poll
Do you support the Republican ad in NC
No
Yes
I love Republicans

Votes: 29
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we warned you (1.66 / 6)

stop demanding loyalty oaths.  You have no problem with Obama and his wife making sexist statements and none of you admit that the Clintons were unfairly branded as racists.  
When you get some f*cking party loyalty get back to me.
For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 04:49:31 PM EST

sp... how is this racist? (2.00 / 7)

why is any criticism of a black man racist?  


For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 04:53:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: sp... how is this racist? (none / 0)

Were you the 1 in 6 who supported the ad when I looked at the poll?


I like baked beans.
by SpideyDem on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 05:05:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

what would you do if I was? (none / 0)

it is none of your business BTW.

Now answer the question.


For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 05:09:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: what would you do if I was? (2.00 / 1)

I would be disappointed.  If you were, why don't you say so loud and proud?

To answer your question, not all criticism of black men is racist.  Go ahead, line up your next straw man...


I like baked beans.
by SpideyDem on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 05:12:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: sp... how is this racist? (2.00 / 1)

Clearly it isn't (for example it's not racist to say that you don't like Obama's health insurance plan or that Iverson is just too short) but the fact that you believe it to be speaks volumes about you.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 05:11:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: sp... how is this racist? (2.00 / 1)

Because for my entire life I've seen people believe in the separation of church and state and tolerate nutty white minister after nutty white minister.  Billy Graham is a known anti-semite and has been invited to the White House by every President for decades.

The only difference here that I can detect is that Barack Obama isn't white.


by Mostly on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 06:10:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Typical PA White Person (2.00 / 1)

So are all of you insane?

Don't lecture Obama supporters about party loyalty.


by Hatch on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 04:56:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I just did and here is some more (1.75 / 4)

I don't remember anyone rending their garments when Clinton was the front runner and Barry was bringing up all the right wing shit from the 1990s and using it against the Clintons.
Obama supporters can bite me.  It is too late for demanding party loyalty.
For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 05:02:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I just did and here is some more (none / 0)

You'll be voting for John McCain, Nader, or writing in someone else then?


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 05:11:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Kind Of A Crazy Thing To Say (2.00 / 1)

Remember two posts upthread where you ummm... demanded party loyalty?!??!!


by Hatch on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 05:23:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I just did and here is some more (none / 0)

That's retarted - he was making an electability argument.  He was saying "I appeal to democrats AND independants.  Hillary Clinton just appeals to democrats".

As inartfully phrased as it was, it wasn't a threat, and it wasn't any different than the thousand electability arguments that both candidates mount every other day.  When Hillary Clinton says she can win the big states that Democrats need to win (and presumably, Obama can't), she's saying "I'll get his voters.  It's not clear he'll get all of mine".


by Mostly on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 06:13:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I just did and here is some more (none / 0)

You mean when he said that indys and reps that vote for him might not vote for her? You think that was a threat? And they say Rev. Wright is paranoid.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 06:25:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: uh huh... (none / 0)

Mindddd controllllll


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 06:47:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Republican racist NC ad (2.00 / 2)

*crickets*

No surprise... Hillary hasn't condemned it, either!  Ironic!  McCain has and so has the RNC, but where's Hillary's leadership on this issue!


It profits a PUMA nothing to give their soul for the whole world... but for McCain? --Sir Thomas More (if he were here now)
by LordMike on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 04:49:56 PM EST

Re: Republican racist NC ad (2.00 / 1)

How is this Hillary's responsibility? Why is she obligated to condemn it? The RNC and McCain have only done so because McCain wants to appear fair and above the fray, and the RNC wants to make sure the party doesn't come across as racist. Hillary has nothing to do with it. Where was Obama when Hannity was running segments on "The Mysterious Death of Vince Foster" two or three months ago?

*crickets*

But it wasn't Obama's problem or his responsibility, so he had no obligation to speak out against it. Same thing here -- Hillary doesn't have to say anything one way or the other.

Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 05:30:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Republican racist NC ad (none / 0)

How is this Hillary's responsibility? Why is she obligated to condemn it? The RNC and McCain have only done so because McCain wants to appear fair and above the fray, and the RNC wants to make sure the party doesn't come across as racist. Hillary has nothing to do with it. Where was Obama when Hannity was running segments on "The Mysterious Death of Vince Foster" two or three months ago?

*crickets*

But it wasn't Obama's problem or his responsibility, so he had no obligation to speak out against it. Same thing here -- Hillary doesn't have to say anything one way or the other.

Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 05:31:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Okay, not sure why that posted twice... (none / 0)

...but let's, uh, pretend I did it for extra emphasis. Yeah. That's it.
Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 05:35:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Republican racist NC ad (none / 0)

Because there's nothing the NC ad is saying that Hillary Clinton hasn't overtly given a green light to.


by Mostly on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 06:22:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Republican racist NC ad (none / 0)

She never said "he's too extreme," and in my opinion, that's actually the most racist part of the ad. "Extreme" = "black radical" in this case. I don't think she should have exploited Wright either, but I don't think she has any particular obligation to condemn this.
Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 06:45:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Obama's chickens (2.00 / 1)

are indeed gonna come home to roost in the general election


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 04:52:49 PM EST

Re: Obama's chickens (none / 0)

YEAH!!!!! GO MCCAIN!!!! REPUBLICANS ROCK!!!! YEE HAW!!!!


I like baked beans.
by SpideyDem on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 05:01:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

lets hope the electorate (none / 0)

isn't thinking that


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 05:02:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: lets hope the electorate (none / 0)

Judging from your comment, you seem to be, although I'm sure that's not your intent.  I hope we'll get a grip on ourselves by November.


I like baked beans.
by SpideyDem on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 05:06:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: lets hope the electorate (none / 0)

no but I actually am a realist, who sees that not everyone will see Wright like me, as innocuous.


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 09:51:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama's chickens (2.00 / 1)

Yep. Blowback for being a real black man and not Hitch.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 05:12:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Your poll question is totally beside the (2.00 / 2)

subject. Of course, no one here supports this ad; and quite frankly asking this question implies that democrats/progressives supporters of Clinton support somehow this ad. I am certain that 99.99% don't.

Moreover, I really don't think this ad is racist. This ad is typical attack ad that question Obama patriotism by associating him with Rev. Wright and bringing in the NC candidates who endorsed him.

Having said this, was this ad expected? Yes. Is it surprising? No. Are we going to see more of this? Of course yes. Are we going to bitch everything a 527 group or RNC or state GOPs cut an ad like> No. Should we stop being shocked by things like that and think about a smart reply? Hell yes.


by likelihood zero on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 04:55:00 PM EST

Re: Your poll question is totally beside the (2.00 / 1)

Questioning his patriotism because he has a pretty typical black pastor is racist.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 05:12:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Your poll question is totally beside the (2.00 / 1)

When did we start to question the strength through racism that the Republicans acheive.

They take their racists constituents and garner alot of power.

Why else would McCain beg his party (at least in words) not to bring racist attacks on.

And Shame on hillary for not condemning this ad on a fellow democrat.


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by GeorgeP922 on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 05:26:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Your poll question is totally beside the (none / 0)

Well I must say it'd be nice if they took our racist constituents too.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 05:47:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Your poll question is totally beside the (none / 0)

I hope they do, like how the hell did we end up with that Lapel women in PA?

The best thing you can tell a racist posing as a Democrat is that their ideology is not welcome in our party, plain and simple.


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by GeorgeP922 on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 06:01:38 PM EST
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Re: Your poll question is totally beside the (none / 0)

Was it racist to question John Kerry patriotism by making him look like he faked those wounds, shot himself in the leg, and lied about charging the enemy just to get a silver star or purple heart? By your standards, the attack on John Kerry were racist attacks too, but they weren't.

Look, it is not surprising to me that GOP is using Rev. Wright to attack Obama. And let me tell you something, it is only going to get worse. They will use the Bill Ayers, Michelle's quote about being proud, Rezko, the bitter remarks, the typical one woman remark, and even smoking or doing drugs when he was young, and i will not be surprised for one damn second.  What we need to do is to think hard about an efficient reply and attack back. Remember that line from "The Untouchables"? Well, "You wanna know how to beat RNC/GOP/McCain? They pull a knife, we pull a gun. they sends one of ours to the hospital, we send one of theirs to the morgue. That's the Democratic way." And that should be our Motto because waiting for condemnation and bitching ain't gonna cut it and ain't gonna win us the White House.

We need to learn something and learn it quickly when facing the republicans: We need to bring a RPG, Bazooka, AK47 and M16 to a knife fight with the republicans. We need to knee cap the hell out of them. We need to be ruthless and with no mercy whatsoever. If they are on the ground, we need to finish them off. That's how you beat the republicans. I worked in the 1988 campaign and we were the nice guys and we thought that the American people will see through the republican bullshit. Well, they didn't; and they didn't see through their bullshit in 2000 and in 2004 either.

The more we bitch about it, the more the damn ad gets air time and gets played over and over, and instead of a 200,000 people seeing that ad, it will be viewed by millions because we want someone to condemn it. I don't give a damn about anyone condemning anything. In fact, i don't want anyone to condemn it. What i want is to see an ad that chops and slices the republicans in NC into pieces  and everything is fair.

Haven't we learn anything from the Swiftboating shit in 2004? Goodness gracious, aren't we up to the job? If we are going to bitch about every shitty attack ad, we may as well hand the damn elections to McCain because this is not how you fight and beat the republicans. If we don't have the guts to totally obliterate the political lives of some republicans with a smile on our faces, we may as well give up now.


by likelihood zero on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 09:40:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

What Would Hillary Say? (2.00 / 1)

"This is a legitimate area, as everything is, when we run for office."

No need to blame the harmless Clinton bloggers when they're just following the example set by their candidate, right?


by Hatch on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 04:55:06 PM EST

Re: Republican racist NC ad (2.00 / 2)

I just heard that the republicans are going to pull that ad in North Carolina.  I really don't see what's wrong with airing the ad.  It's Obama's pastor of 20 years.  I don't think it's off limits.  It's not racist in my opinion.  Just shows who Obama has been closely associating with for the past 20 years.


by karajan72 on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 04:55:42 PM EST

Re: Republican racist NC ad (2.00 / 1)

Well, it doesn't show who Obama has been associating with for the past 20 years (and I know you know this); it shows 2-seconds of what was said by someone Obama has been associated with for 20 years.  

That's like someone calling you blind because in your last comment you said, "You don't see...."  How long have you been blind?  HOw would you know if it's racist or not if you couldn't see the ad?  See?


by MikeyB on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 05:13:38 PM EST
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Re: Republican racist NC ad (2.00 / 1)

Karajan72, Im sure your really disapointed.

Oh, I heard the RNC is hiring, can you can help them make a better attack ad.


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by GeorgeP922 on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 05:28:12 PM EST
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Re: Republican racist NC ad (2.00 / 3)

get some fucking loyalty?
This is an attack as against Dems running for office in NC! Hey if you you don't support Dems running for office in NC fine!

This is a slam against Democratic Party candidates
Beth Purdue and Richard Moore...


"If you want to end war and stuff, you gotta sing loud"...Arlo Guthrie
by nogo war on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 04:56:15 PM EST

Re: Republican racist NC ad (2.00 / 4)

Really just like when HRC was asked if BO was a muslin.  She said immedately "of course not" but how many times did we here the she only said "I take him at his word at the end".  She defended BO and he and his campaign and his supporters twisted her words to smear her.

Just checking because the fact is if she condemned this ad BO supporters would attack her and if she doesnt than BO supporters will attack her.

Loyality is somothing BO know little about.

Like the bosnia.  Did BO defend HRC about the bosnia. NOOOOOO.  So please stop with the bosnia loyality nonsense.  

david


by giusd on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 04:57:46 PM EST

really, now they are all about party loyalty (2.00 / 1)

barf.  


For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 05:06:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: really, now they are all about party loyalty (2.00 / 0)

hahahaha.

Thats funny, Im not going to argue against your delusions.

I know of noone outside the Clinton camp that didn't see the whole Bosnia incident as the most ridiculous lie that only the dumbest uninformed voter would believe.

The media brought this up, not Republican hit ads.

The whole "As far as I know" comment again was a product of media coverage.   Had Hillary said of course not and then said "I already answered that question" to when it was repeated, but no she didn't, she had no problem pandering again to the most ignorant voters by casting doubt in her third and unnecessary response.

If Hillary does not condemn this ad then she is at the very least agreeing that it is accurate and she welcomes more of it.

She should attack at the very least for her party, and in her own self interest since this will be the same machine attacking her if she get the nomination.


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by GeorgeP922 on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 06:08:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: really, now they are all about party loyalty (2.00 / 1)

This is the truth??  Your long paragraph is typical of BO suppporters.  If only she had just answered the question.  What is an unneccassary response.  This is nothing more that parsing and a cheap shot at a long time deal.

I tell you what you are really saying.  Is you expect HRC and her supporters to take some kind of loyality oath and some how it is our job to defend BO when he and his supporters did no such thing for BO.

I can think of nothing that makes my point better than this total hypocrisy.  

And one last thing anyone who things BO and his campaign wasnt pushing the Bosnia story is living in a fairtale.

david


by giusd on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 07:04:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Republican racist NC ad (2.00 / 1)

It's not racist, it's just an attack ad. Interestingly this is the second swift boat style ad released by Republicans against Obama. Why would the Republicans work hard to attack Obama while the primary continues unless they would rather run against Clinton in the fall?

Also Clinton's continued silence on this matter plays right into Obama's hands. The ad is out there and helps her regardless by any effect on voters perceptions and it helps prove her overall campaign theme so speaking out costs her nothing, just like McCain. But her silence allows Barack to go around saying, "See? This is exactly the kind of old politics we need to end. Even Senator McCain and the Republican National Committee see this but Senator Clinton stays silent while two good Democrats are unfairly attacked. Is that the kind of leadership you want in Washington?"


Proudly joining the legions of people and states that don't matter on May 20th.
by Obama Independent on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 05:05:17 PM EST

they aren't attacking Obama (2.00 / 1)

they are using him to attack state democrats.


For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 05:07:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: they aren't attacking Obama (none / 0)

Uh huh, keep telling yourself that. But there isn't just this ad, there is another one by Floyd Brown that he's trying to get on the air in NC that hits just Obama.


Proudly joining the legions of people and states that don't matter on May 20th.
by Obama Independent on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 05:15:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: they aren't attacking Obama (none / 0)

Then Hillary should have no problem condemning the ad and supporting her fellow state democrats.


by reggie23 on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 06:07:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: they aren't attacking Obama (2.00 / 0)

Even better point,  Hillary has to realize that as the nominee she will be counted on to strengthen all the races.

How will the SD see this,  they will see a candidate that is unwilling to fight republicans as long as they damage her Democratic opponent.


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by GeorgeP922 on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 06:09:53 PM EST
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Re: Republican racist NC ad (none / 0)

My error...Bev Purdue is the Dem for Gov
sorry...
"If you want to end war and stuff, you gotta sing loud"...Arlo Guthrie
by nogo war on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 05:07:07 PM EST

Re: Republican racist NC ad (2.00 / 1)

This is an attack against a Dem Candidate for Gov...
Why do you hate Bev Purdue?
"If you want to end war and stuff, you gotta sing loud"...Arlo Guthrie
by nogo war on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 05:08:43 PM EST

Re: (1.00 / 1)

Hey, she endorsed Obama.  Now she has to deal with the consequences.


by karajan72 on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 05:12:01 PM EST

Re: (2.00 / 1)

This kind of sentiment is exactly why we lost over seat in the country when Bill Clinton was president, and we will lose them all again if Hillary gets the nomination.

Thank goodness she won't.  This is exactly the kind of real metric super-delegates will pay attention to.

Will you throw your opponents under a bus.

Your answer is telling.


Until we stop harming all other living beings, we are still savages. ~Thomas A. Edison
by mattjfogarty on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 05:39:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Republican racist NC ad (2.00 / 1)

Richard Moore is another Democratic candidate..
http://www.charlotte.com/govissues/story /572374.html

At what point in time will people realize that the 2008 Elections are more than just the President?


"If you want to end war and stuff, you gotta sing loud"...Arlo Guthrie
by nogo war on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 05:12:59 PM EST

You're not going to find many (2.00 / 1)

here who understand why this is racist. They don't understand the black community at all on this site. At least most of the commenters I've seen don't.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 05:13:52 PM EST

Re: You're not going to find many (1.50 / 2)

Yes, only white liberals understand the black community! /snark

PS: I've LIVED in a black community.


Fight for Democrats in Congress.
by owl06 on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 05:27:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You're not going to find many (none / 0)

So what? You think because you lived in a black community you understand what it's like to be black everyday?

You live amongst people of the opposite gender. Do you know what it's like to be the opposite gender??

Jesus christ. I thought Democrats were the enlightened ones.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 05:45:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Republican racist NC ad (2.00 / 2)

How is this racist? It's not about race - it's about Obama's long-standing relationship with a hateful man. Be prepared to see more of these ads if Obama wins the nomination.

And why do specific Clinton supporters have to condemn this? Is this some sort of purity test? Should we go up on the mountain and ponder our purity?

Sorry, I'm not going to cuddle Obama like he's the baby Jesus. This is his fault.


Fight for Democrats in Congress.
by owl06 on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 05:26:41 PM EST

Re: Republican racist NC ad (2.00 / 0)

Well than you support that ad, and if you support it then you are a sorry excuse for a Democrat.

There are alot of Americans who were not offended by Wright.

If there is one thing that is true, the kamakazi supporters on here hate the Democratic party and would rather see it's 50 state demise before their beloved monarch give up the throne.

Disgusting.


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by GeorgeP922 on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 05:31:29 PM EST
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Re: Republican racist NC ad (none / 0)

You don't, but decency says you should.

But the democratic candidate for president damn well better if we are to believe they care about the party, because it is false, salacious, and it is attacking two other candidates besides Obama.

The truth is really showing here. None of you responding this way can see past your candidate to the larger party or bigger issues besides getting Hillary elected.

It's not the Hillary party or the Obama party, it's the democratic party.


Until we stop harming all other living beings, we are still savages. ~Thomas A. Edison
by mattjfogarty on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 05:36:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Republican racist NC ad (none / 0)

Hm. Martin Luther King Jr. said some substantially similar things but he's not considered a hateful man by most. Perhaps some self-reflection is in order.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 05:48:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Republican racist NC ad (none / 0)

you got me. I don't support Obama so I'm a total racist.


Fight for Democrats in Congress.
by owl06 on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 11:08:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Republican racist NC ad (none / 0)

Already posted about this, with very disappointing results.  See the post here:

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/4/24/2244 0/7800

Actions speak much louder than words.  Hillary alone is throwing three democrats under a bus to try and keep a truly unfortunate narrative of her campaign alive.


Until we stop harming all other living beings, we are still savages. ~Thomas A. Edison
by mattjfogarty on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 05:30:02 PM EST

Re: Republican racist NC ad (2.00 / 1)

Racist or not, the answer is no.  The vocal but luckily very tiny fringe that posts on NoQuarter, Hillaryis44, Hillarys bloggers, and dominates the Rec list here will not condemn baseless attacks against the likely Dem nominee.  Quite the opposite.  

They will self righteously say they told us this would happen, all the while spreading and trying to legitimize false and baseless smears against Obama.



Lost rate and rec for issuing a '1' to a trollish comment. The troll, not so much.

by map on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 05:35:27 PM EST

Re: Republican racist NC ad (none / 0)

So many of you agree, it is OK for Hillary to let Bev Purdue and Richard Moore hang out to dry and have their campaign destroyed.  The reasons you all give is:

1)She did not make the add
2)The ad does not attack her
3)If she responds someone will attack her
3)Barack should respond to the add
4)Because you think Barack should respond to Randi Rhodes
5)It's a race baiting ad against Obama that she does not need to respond to.
6)Because you think it proves Clinton's point that she is not electable.

Wow, let me respond to your incredibly unethical responses

1)  She did not make the add but made up the issue and perpetuates it every day she does not denounce it.  Besides, the response of "Teacher, it wasn't my fault" is not the response of a presidential candidate.

  2. The add does attack her, and all other democrats who have any sense of decency
   3. Barack has responded to this add.  As has the DNC, the RNC, and Mike Huckabee, John McCain, most pundits, everyone has, except for Clinton.
   4. I actually think they both should denounce these shock jocks...Barack should denounce Rhodes and Hillary should denounce the right wingers like Limbaugh who keep saying the same kind of crap in support of Clinton.  Does not mean just because one of them has not, the other gets a pass.  HOLD THEM TO THE SAME STANDARD, DON'T JUST KEEP LOWERING THE STANDARD. I know you don't believe any Obama supporter is capable of criticism him, but there you go...wrong again.
   6. She should do it precisely because it is race baiting and she should help the national debate rise above that, why do you think she is not seen as a good candidate for Black constituencies, or as an honest candidate, or as a candidate who will raise the national debate to a higher level that is more productive when it comes to the issues she cares about.
   6. I think it proves the point that Clinton is unelectable.  Super delegates will see this as more proof she will stab anyone in the back if they are not on her team.

Remember, she is telling Bev Purdue and Richard Moore she does not care enough about other democrats to help them out.  Probably because they are Obama endorsers.  I personally believe she would have already bailed them out if they were her supporters. But it is also a pretty good indication of why they are not her supporters.

Finally and most important, she should do it because it is the most important political job of a POTUS, to build the biggest coalition they can.  Hillary is incapable of working with anyone who disagrees with her.

This is the same reason Bill Clinton allowed thousands of democratic seats across the country to be lost on his watch.  We lost the House, the Senate, lost hundreds of governorships and state legislative jobs, and ultimately Clinton's VP could not get elected (don't blame it on Bush, if Clinton was doing his job of protecting the party, Gore would have won by a landslide big enough that none of us would remember the name GWB).


Until we stop harming all other living beings, we are still savages. ~Thomas A. Edison
by mattjfogarty on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 05:45:44 PM EST

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Please someone....please....explain to me why this commercial is racist? It is a negative and it questions Obama's patriotism by association to Wright, but as far as being racist...I don't see it.


by soyousay on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 05:48:40 PM EST

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Wright is a typical black pastor. Wrights words are only offensive because he's black. When white pastors say insane shit it's not used as some sort of guilt by association against white people. White catholics are not forced to reject and denounce the Pope. White christians don't have to reject and denounce Falwell, Robertson, Hagee, Parsley or Coe.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 05:50:25 PM EST
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"typical?" hmmmm....Where have I heard this before? You are making generalizations, IMO. Plus...you are assuming that people don't like what Rev. Wright says because he's Black. FYI; People don't like what Wright is saying because it's unpatriotic. The other stuff Wright says that's not in the commercial...like the government is puposely spreading aids, is just plain crazy. I think you are way off on this one.


by soyousay on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 05:57:33 PM EST
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Then why aren't you blogging about the many many white pastors across the country who have spouted far more offensive and unpatriotic than anything Wright is on the record saying?

Why aren't you rallying against every catholic politician, demanding they step down after the unspeakable horrors their faith has wrought on children around the world.

That's the problem.  That is why this stinks. This is why your protests sound so wrong to many of us.  You hold Obama and Wright to a different standard. Why is that?


Until we stop harming all other living beings, we are still savages. ~Thomas A. Edison
by mattjfogarty on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 06:07:18 PM EST
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Because the "white pastors" that spout offensive/unpatriotic BS support the Republican nominee. I'm not a Republican.

If you can point out crazy "white pastors" that are mentors to Democratic politicians...I will definitely check each pastor/Democratic politician out thoroughly.


by soyousay on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 06:14:33 PM EST
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How about Doug Coe?


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 06:20:22 PM EST
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Is Doug Coe Clinton's mentor? This is not Hillary Clinton's pastor.


by soyousay on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 06:23:18 PM EST
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She described him as a spiritual mentor and guide. She's in one of his cells and has been for years. Did you actually read the article?


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 06:24:26 PM EST
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Please provide an exact quote.


by soyousay on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 06:25:39 PM EST
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You didn't even read the article! You just said provide evidence and you would thoroughly research the issue and then when provided with evidence you did no such thing!

Wow. Pure dishonesty.

How about a video to go with your research?

 


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 06:31:06 PM EST
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Hmmm...maybe I just missed Hillary's exact quote speaking out against the catholic faith, and saying something to the effect of "well, I know it would not be my religion"


Until we stop harming all other living beings, we are still savages. ~Thomas A. Edison
by mattjfogarty on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 06:32:35 PM EST
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Tap tap tap...is this thing still on.

The point is you know damn well this kind of politics are terrible, and Hillary is the master of them.


Until we stop harming all other living beings, we are still savages. ~Thomas A. Edison
by mattjfogarty on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 06:38:54 PM EST
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Yes it's sad,  whats funny is you will find people on this board that thought the 3am was a great ad,

they also think Hillary's new love affair with Fox, Pittsburg Tribune, and any other far right propoganda machines is also a great idea.

They thought that this hit job on Obama and the govenor of NC was also fair.

There is even one or two people who think Joe Lieberman is a good trustworthy man.

It's frustrating and depressing.


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by GeorgeP922 on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 06:45:07 PM EST
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People are in another thread defending Ann Coulter.  I shit you not.


by Mostly on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 06:49:49 PM EST
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Oh man...well, geeze, I don't even know what to say to that...


Until we stop harming all other living beings, we are still savages. ~Thomas A. Edison
by mattjfogarty on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 06:53:24 PM EST
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Dude what is going on here?

This is fascinating.

It flips between entertaining and gut wrenching,  where is this thread?

When will the site mods get involved, I know there is free speech and all, but are we going to let this board turn into an echochamber for Townhall or Hotair.

Could MyDD be a republican blog soon?


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by GeorgeP922 on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 06:53:57 PM EST
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Well at this point that's not surprising. As Scaife, Rush & Fox are allies, Coulter would soon follow. I recall reading some of her tripe years ago about needing a gun because black men were scary.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 06:56:31 PM EST
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You want more?


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 06:57:03 PM EST
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I never said anything about these people supporting democrats.  Is that the only reason you can think of to be so righteous about another person's pastor, is if it is politically expedient?

But now that you mentioned it...

I noticed you conveniently did not answer my point about catholics, who are one of Hillary's key constituencies so far.  I guess it is a little too inconvenient for you to speak out negatively against the support the catholic church has given democrats, particularly Hillary.  The catholic religion has done far worse things than pastor Wright could ever dream of doing, but you are silent...

Come on. Your selective indignation is astounding.


Until we stop harming all other living beings, we are still savages. ~Thomas A. Edison
by mattjfogarty on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 06:30:43 PM EST
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As all of my family except me are church going black folks and are spread all over the nation (MS, AK, CO, IL, CA, FL, NY) I'm not worried about my statement. You got any black church going family you talked to about this?

It's unpatriotic to talk about blowback? Weird. People write books on that. I guess they're not patriots. I bet it's taught in various schools and government agencies too. Guess that'd be unpatriotic.

It's unpatriotic to talk about imperialism and oppression? Better take away MLK day!

Bill Cosby said the same thing about HIV. The government is dumping toxic sludge on black peoples' property right now. You think the paranoia is unwarranted?


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 06:16:04 PM EST
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I don't support the ad. It's racist, though most people won't see it that way. It's not just the clip of Wright that's racist -- it's the voiceover saying, "He's just too extreme for North Carolina." That's the worst part because unlike the Wright clip, from which the viewer can draw his/her own conclusions (and which we've all seen at least 100 times), the words "he's too extreme" force the ultimate negative conclusion, which is that Obama is a "black radical", down viewers' throats. Some people might look at Wright and think, "Hm, Barack certainly has some controversial associates," but they wouldn't necessarily see Obama as "extreme".

I condemn the ad. Doesn't make any difference, though. What can I do when the national Republican party is already trying to get it pulled?

Oh and by the way, we'd better go ahead and buckle up, everybody. There will be plenty more where this came from. The Democratic nominee, whether it's Hillary or Obama, is going to get slammed, as always.

Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 05:55:55 PM EST

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Good for you.  At least there are several voices of reason who are not pretending all this is OK.

This betrayal of 3 democratic candidates by Clinton is in my opinion the worst thing she has done to date, and those of you who support it might as well start voting republican now.


Until we stop harming all other living beings, we are still savages. ~Thomas A. Edison
by mattjfogarty on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 05:59:43 PM EST
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I still don't think it's her responsibility to openly condemn it. Obama hasn't been defending her against Hannity's recent (within the last three months) insinuation that she was involved in the death of Vince Foster. He didn't defend her against Jesse Jackson Jr.'s Katrina remarks, either, and that's someone directly involved with his campaign. I don't think Hillary's obligated to discuss this at all.

That said, I also strongly disagree with her decision to exploit the issue by talking about how Wright wouldn't be her pastor.

Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 06:14:23 PM EST
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That's just it.  We all should be defending her from exactly these kinds of smear too. I hope with all my heart that Hillary is not the candidate, because I disagree with her in every way.  But attacking her like you mentioned is just as wrong.

But as long as we all think it is OK that no one does the right thing, we are screwed.


Until we stop harming all other living beings, we are still savages. ~Thomas A. Edison
by mattjfogarty on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 06:17:55 PM EST
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Some simple questions...
Those saying that this is not a racist ad...
Those saying this attack ad on two Democratic candidates for Gov...are not like Rove attack on Max Cleland?

Do you, for a second believe that if Sen. Clinton was our nominee there would not be Bosnia ads connecting Dem candidates to Sen. Clinton?

Do you really believe there would not be ads with President Bill Clinton saying "I did not have sex" and tie it to Dem candidates?

Is is a little sad that MyDD has come to a place where people who claim to support the Democratic party prop up a GOP ad...

tap yer toes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCcfhAlV4 -E&feature=related


"If you want to end war and stuff, you gotta sing loud"...Arlo Guthrie
by nogo war on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 06:09:46 PM EST

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Its extremely sad that memmbers here support this ad.

The only thing I can think is that these hardcore supporters love her more than the political party, hence why so many even on this site said they will vote for McCain.


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by GeorgeP922 on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 06:13:39 PM EST
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IMO, the ad is fair game; Obama should have seen this coming and the Democratic party should have seen it coming. It's Rev. Wright himself talking...no manipulation of the ad, no untruths told. If there are any untruths, please point them out.


by soyousay on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 06:18:34 PM EST
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Well some of the snippets have certainly been edited so that they're context free. The context would change the meaning in some instances. Is that fair game?


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 06:21:38 PM EST
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context on this one would make it worse. they only used the gd america.
before that he says,
paraphrase"the government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons and wants us to sing god bless america, no, no, no, no....GD america, its in the bible!...."
context is no help with this one.
by the Walrus on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 06:31:05 PM EST
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Uh yeah. Nothing wrong with that. MLK said God would punish America for it's racist imperialism. He has a holiday.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 06:34:20 PM EST
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how does the mlk quote compare with wright's making shit up to explain away problems in his community?

it doesn't. and anyway, this isn't the 60's. Most of us, black and white have moved on.


by the Walrus on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 06:38:39 PM EST
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The MLK quote? Which one? The one where he blamed whites for continuing oppression? The one where he said that LBJ didn't do anything and that the civil rights act was more fluff than substance? The one where he said our imperialism around the world was bad? Which quote? He has many.

As statistics show that African-American still face rampant discrimination in every facet of our lives you may have moved on but you should speak for yourself.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 06:42:16 PM EST
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What Rev. Wright is saying is what a tremendous amount of black people believe.

Anyway, you're right - most people have moved on and don't think America is imperialist at all.  Especially black ministers.  They're all "praise the lord and pass the ammunition".


by Mostly on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 06:48:41 PM EST
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How is the ad racist? (2.00 / 1)

I don't like the ad, but i knew it and more like it were coming, but how do you call it racist?


by the Walrus on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 06:28:30 PM EST

Re: How is the ad racist? (none / 0)

Assume that every ad the Republicans put out will play on racism just as they always have.

Making Wright into an issue is racist in and of itself.

Im telling you, aside from the spin of this site I dont know ANY democrats offended by Wright,  alot of people including me agreed with him.

Well I didnt agree with any of the God or Bible stuff, thats just silly.  But has America crushed it's minorties for generations, of course!

If I was to give one reason why it's racist, is that it's intention to provoke racist reactions.


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by GeorgeP922 on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 06:38:10 PM EST
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That ad's been yanked (none / 0)

http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNe ws/idUSN2429689820080424


by Mayor McCheese on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 06:37:01 PM EST

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So NO response from Hillary.  

This ad attacked two fellow NC Democrats, forget Obama, Im talking about the govenor who they pretended to attack in this ad.

Debbie Wasserman Schultz seems like the perfect running mate for Hillary.

Just when it's time for them to throw down for their own party.............


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by GeorgeP922 on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 06:41:13 PM EST
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Not racist? Yep a GOP ad would never...ever try and be racist....

This is a GOP ad people...
If some Clinton supporters want the GOP to carry your water fine..

Does NC have some racist roots?

Two words.. Jesse Helms.

This will backfire...... as NC is moving forward just as Obama is leading our party forward.


"If you want to end war and stuff, you gotta sing loud"...Arlo Guthrie
by nogo war on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 06:42:09 PM EST

No one could support this add (none / 0)

so it is a false challenge you put out in your poll.  Well, repugs could support it and always do.

The problem is, "condemning" this add is not going to do much to stop the repugs from using this in every state against every downticket dem who is running.

So the challenge is not to condemn it, or taunt people to take a stand, the challenge is how to defeat this, assuming the repugs are going to use this.  Yelling about it is not going to help.  What's the strategy?  How to counter it?  Maybe that should be  your next poll.

Remember here the target for you is not HRC or posters here who support her.  The target is the repug noise machine that will use this all over the country.


by 4justice on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 07:30:30 PM EST


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